The Sākyan Mahānāma visits Lomasavangīsa at the Nigrodhārāma in Kapilavatthu und asks him if the learner's way of life is the same as that of a Tathāgata. No, says the Elder; a learner strives to abandon the fünf hindrances (nīvarana); the arahants have already completely destroyed them. S.v.327f.